Huge real life test shows EV range loss at -15°C

28 January 2023
The test includes more than 40 models, including contenders from Tesla and Mercedes.

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  • Anonymous

Kuba, 14 Sep 2023I live in China and many people were fooled into buying EV by false advertisement. Now after 1... moreThis test was not made in China, so these a real numbers here.

  • Anonymous

Fearghast, 02 Feb 2023That's a nice bed story, I will add it to my collection of solar-powered vehicles and sol... moreSolar powered vehicles is the best bed time story yet.

  • Anonymous

Toyota disaster? 7 hours to charge 66kwh is much better than Wuling EV, 7 hours to charge what? 9kwh..

  • Kuba

Anonymous, 11 Apr 2023None of them can really go beyond 240 miles. No surprise that my friend sold his EV and went b... moreI live in China and many people were fooled into buying EV by false advertisement. Now after 1-2 year they all go back to petrol or PHEVs. Sadly their EVs lost 50% value in just 1-2 years, they lost a lot of money. Same situation is in Europe, second hand EVs are not selling well, nobody wants EVs.

  • Kuba

Keep in mind the test was done on rural roads with 50km/h. If you drive on highway you won't even get 30% of advertised range. 150km driving 1.5h and then 1.5h charging :)

  • Cic

Anonymous, 31 Jul 2023Yeah, as long as you're fine with no climate control (no heating, no cooling) gas guzzler... moreFuel? iCE cars are heated using heat loses of the engine lol

  • Anonymous

Anonymous, 27 Mar 2023It's quite a small difference at like -30c (which is normal here, and sadly regular durin... moreYeah, as long as you're fine with no climate control (no heating, no cooling) gas guzzlers can do better in winter. Turn on the heater and you'll notice and it consumes A LOT of fuel.

Also, "infinite range", what does it mean? "Drive till you fall asleep or lose consciousness due to exhaustion, crash and die" kind of range?

Thanks, I'll pass.

  • Ulfat ufo

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  • Anonymous

None of them can really go beyond 240 miles. No surprise that my friend sold his EV and went back to ICE. Batteries really aren't the future.

  • Anonymous

jrharbort, 31 Jan 2023ICE vehicles also take a range hit in freezing temperatures, it's simple physics. Not as ... moreIt's quite a small difference at like -30c (which is normal here, and sadly regular during winters), but an EV loses a massive chunk of its range in that temperature. ICE can go for basically the same mileage on a full tank of gas, be it 30c or -30c. Battery technology has a long way to go, until they're really equipped to deal with our winters here.

  • Alan

Anonymous, 01 Feb 2023I've considered buying an EV, but as my only vehicle, cold weather range matters to me. ... moreTesla Supercharger network is open to other non Tesla EVs. Stick with the hybrid. My Model Y never got more than 100 miles on a full charge in Chicago winters. Regretted giving up my Lexus Hybrid (RX).

Fearghast, 02 Feb 2023That's a nice bed story, I will add it to my collection of solar-powered vehicles and sol... moreI forgot, big solar panels, 60% thermal efficiency petrol, small and light high energy dense battery (yes, plug in vehicle), and you have winner.
Alredy, there is 43% thermal eff. petrol cars. F1 already has 60+ and there is the tech, many F1 tech rolled down into normal cars million times.
All this will be very light package with cheap small tires, and cheap everything to maintain. Win win

  • Anonymous

it doesn't take a genius to figure it out, guys. These are Chinese cars tested in China. I wonder which test cycle they are using? Hm... oh, it must be the American EPA cycle, where 90% of these cars aren't even sold! Of course!

That said, the real surprising thing is the car with the LFP pack coming out on top. People keep saying LFP is more susceptible to cold than NCA batteries, but this seems to disprove that notion.

ASL, 02 Feb 2023ICE needs synthetic clean fuel and all your EVs will go for metal recycling. That's a nice bed story, I will add it to my collection of solar-powered vehicles and solid state batteries.

ICE needs synthetic clean fuel and all your EVs will go for metal recycling.

jrharbort, 31 Jan 2023ICE vehicles also take a range hit in freezing temperatures, it's simple physics. Not as ... moreOr do they? My Prius 2021 do 3l/100km in summer AC on (very bad for consumption) but hey we talk real life here, not paper ranges.

same road and speed, minus 10, 4l/100km heater on (comes from engine but hey one has engine on uses it's heat win win).

50-60% lose ? nope :) at least toyota hybrids are extremely effective and efficient no matter weather

does the BYD Han AWD has the blade battery made exclusively by BYD? which battery is no ordinary one - it's not flamable.
I know the smaller BYD has it, Han as well too?

  • Anonymous

I've considered buying an EV, but as my only vehicle, cold weather range matters to me. I live in the upper Midwest US and our temperatures can go below -20c. My current hybrid works just fine and it's range isn't reduced. We're probably a decade from commercial solid state battery solutions which should help quite a bit. I can afford an EV, but still feel it's too early...plus in the US, you can't beat the supercharger network. I've read and heard of horror stories at other public chargers but the supercharger network is solid.

Sinnaoi, 01 Feb 2023Totally agree! It should be clearly stated, on which testing cycle the advertised range ks bas... moreThat won't really help with the topic, a nice graph showing correlation between temperature and range would be nice through. On the other hand, I would most likely affect battery life as manufacturers would start to prioritize range over battery life (warranty).

maximus, 29 Jan 2023Title shood be: Poor journalism, drives away potential EV drivers. Adertised range should spec... moreTotally agree! It should be clearly stated, on which testing cycle the advertised range ks based.
If it is the overestimating CTLC (since the test was run in China) then the results are not at all that bad! If it is EPA then the results merit consideration

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